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	<title>Comments on: Dr Fisher’s 9 rules</title>
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		<title>By: Tammi Elanor</title>
		<link>http://www.obesity-surgery.wordpress-by.org/2007/05/30/dr-fisher-s-9-rules/#comment-3973</link>
		<author>Tammi Elanor</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 15:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm sorry, I gotta disagree with some of these. Comments in-line.
 Hypoglycemia is not that uncommon post-op, and I know many posties who
 have SERIOUS problems if they only eat three times a day. It is true
 that eating needs to be mindful and planned, but for some folks, it
 needs to be as many as five meals a day.
 meals before serving.)
 Is this just immediately post-op?
 How does he feel about protein drinks? Of the many successful (meaning
 maintaining both health and healthy weight) long-term post-ops I know,
 who are more than five years out, only ONE is not drinking protein
 drinks. In general I do agree about solids rather than liquids.
 Sorry, I don't believe it, and I don't think most long-term posties do
 either.
 This one I DISagree with. If you're taking that long to eat, you're
 running the risk of grazing. The food is emptying out of your pouch as
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 you're putting more in. I think in general eat until you are full,
 within fifteen minutes, then STOP.
 all times)
 See, I'm not arguing with everything! This one I definitely agree with.
 than solids, drink first, then eat. Allow 30-45 minutes after solids to
 take more liquids)
 I'll agree with this one too.
 Unfortunately, most physicians do not have much in the way of
 nutritional training in medical school. Usually a couple of lectures,
 during which many of them catch up on sleep. I also have had a
 nutritionist, WHO WORKS WITH A BARIATRICS PROGRAM tell me I should eat
 three ounces of meat, fish, chicken or three eggs at every meal. Excuse
 me, are you aware of the size of my pouch?!? THREE EGGS? I'd explode!
 Um, have you read the nutritional comparisons in things like sugar
 counts and carbs between a Snickers bar and a banana? Fresh fruit can be
 good, but in limits! There are a lot of us who have to watch fruit,
 because it can trigger a binge at least as well as a Twinkie can!
 Sorry, I disagree. We each need to find, for ourselves, what works for
 ourselves. We are all different, and it is not possible for one set of
 rules to fit everyone, any more than it is possible for one size of
 pants to fit everyone. What I personally believe is that we have to look
 at the "rules" and use them as a starting point, guidelines if you will.
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 Eleanor Oster
 eleanor@... (personal address)
 www.smallboxes.com/gastricbypass.htm
 Berkeley, CA
 Open RNY (100 cm bypassed) 07/15/2003
 David P. Fisher, M.D., Kaiser Richmond (CA)
 05/09/2003 319 Orientation
 07/15/2003 ~290 Surgery
 Current &#60;160 Goal until plastics?
 Goal 140-150?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, I gotta disagree with some of these. Comments in-line.<br />
 Hypoglycemia is not that uncommon post-op, and I know many posties who<br />
 have SERIOUS problems if they only eat three times a day. It is true<br />
 that eating needs to be mindful and planned, but for some folks, it<br />
 needs to be as many as five meals a day.<br />
 meals before serving.)<br />
 Is this just immediately post-op?<br />
 How does he feel about protein drinks? Of the many successful (meaning<br />
 maintaining both health and healthy weight) long-term post-ops I know,<br />
 who are more than five years out, only ONE is not drinking protein<br />
 drinks. In general I do agree about solids rather than liquids.<br />
 Sorry, I don&#8217;t believe it, and I don&#8217;t think most long-term posties do<br />
 either.<br />
 This one I DISagree with. If you&#8217;re taking that long to eat, you&#8217;re<br />
 running the risk of grazing. The food is emptying out of your pouch as<br />
 <!--more--><br />
 you&#8217;re putting more in. I think in general eat until you are full,<br />
 within fifteen minutes, then STOP.<br />
 all times)<br />
 See, I&#8217;m not arguing with everything! This one I definitely agree with.<br />
 than solids, drink first, then eat. Allow 30-45 minutes after solids to<br />
 take more liquids)<br />
 I&#8217;ll agree with this one too.<br />
 Unfortunately, most physicians do not have much in the way of<br />
 nutritional training in medical school. Usually a couple of lectures,<br />
 during which many of them catch up on sleep. I also have had a<br />
 nutritionist, WHO WORKS WITH A BARIATRICS PROGRAM tell me I should eat<br />
 three ounces of meat, fish, chicken or three eggs at every meal. Excuse<br />
 me, are you aware of the size of my pouch?!? THREE EGGS? I&#8217;d explode!<br />
 Um, have you read the nutritional comparisons in things like sugar<br />
 counts and carbs between a Snickers bar and a banana? Fresh fruit can be<br />
 good, but in limits! There are a lot of us who have to watch fruit,<br />
 because it can trigger a binge at least as well as a Twinkie can!<br />
 Sorry, I disagree. We each need to find, for ourselves, what works for<br />
 ourselves. We are all different, and it is not possible for one set of<br />
 rules to fit everyone, any more than it is possible for one size of<br />
 pants to fit everyone. What I personally believe is that we have to look<br />
 at the &#8220;rules&#8221; and use them as a starting point, guidelines if you will.<br />
 &#8211;<br />
 Eleanor Oster<br />
 <a href="mailto:eleanor@...">eleanor@&#8230;</a> (personal address)<br />
 <a href="http://www.smallboxes.com/gastricbypass.htm" rel="nofollow">www.smallboxes.com/gastricbypass.htm</a><br />
 Berkeley, CA<br />
 Open RNY (100 cm bypassed) 07/15/2003<br />
 David P. Fisher, M.D., Kaiser Richmond (CA)<br />
 05/09/2003 319 Orientation<br />
 07/15/2003 ~290 Surgery<br />
 Current &lt;160 Goal until plastics?<br />
 Goal 140-150?</p>
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		<title>By: Lou Olson</title>
		<link>http://www.obesity-surgery.wordpress-by.org/2007/05/30/dr-fisher-s-9-rules/#comment-3972</link>
		<author>Lou Olson</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 12:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.obesity-surgery.wordpress-by.org/2007/05/30/dr-fisher-s-9-rules/#comment-3972</guid>
		<description>Excellent rules! I am pre-op, and what worries me is that it has been hard for
me to follow those rules now (or I would have already lost weight, right?). Is
it easier to follow them after the surgery?
Cris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent rules! I am pre-op, and what worries me is that it has been hard for<br />
me to follow those rules now (or I would have already lost weight, right?). Is<br />
it easier to follow them after the surgery?<br />
Cris</p>
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